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Drainpipe Information

There are several options for drainpipe used with French Drains and Surface Drains and Channel Drains.

For Home or Small Business, Drainpipe comes in 3 basic sizes.  Three-inch, 4 inch and 6 inch are the most commonly used.

Additionally, there are 3 kinds of drainpipe Aswell.  The 3 varieties are ADS, SD, and 40 schedule.

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ADS Drainpipe

is Black and Flexible.  It comes in “Solid, Perforated, and Perforated with Sock.”

ads 4inch 6 inch

ADS Solid Drainpipe, 6 Inch on the left, 4 Inch on the right.

 

The above picture is ADS Solid 6 inch and 4 inch.

French Drain Installation

French Drain with Trench Liner and Pipe Filter

The Above Picture is a French Drain Installation in progress.  The Pipe is ADS perforated 4 inch pipe with Soc.

Perforated French Drainpipe with Soc

Perforated French Drainpipe with Soc

Drainpipe Applications

The Black Pipe shown above is Perforated with thousands of small holes.  The pipe is inside a black Neoprene Soc.  The Sock is a filter to keep the pipe clean and Free of Debris.  The white fabric shown above is a Trench Liner that provides additional protection for the Perforated ADS Drainpipe.

Sewer and Drain PVC Pipe

Sewer and Drain (SD) PVC Drainpipe.

Next, we have Sewer and Drainpipe or (SD) for short.  It is a smooth wall drainpipe that is Rigid and nonflexible.

A Surface Drain Drainage System is being installed in the above picture.

The White PVC pipe shown above is 4 inch.

Finally, we have 40 schedule PVC.  It looks exactly like the SD pipe shown above but there are differences.

40 Schedule pipe is much Heavier.  The walls are much thicker than SD Pipe.  It has a higher level of Resin in the PVC Plastic.

40 Schedule PVC pipe is even more rigid and stiff.  It is extremely nonflexible.

SD Pipe

SD comes in Solid and A Perforated Variety.  It doesn’t normally come with a Soc Option.  If you want SD Perforated Pipe with a Soc.  You will have to buy the Soc and put it on yourself.  That option is rarely done by drainage contractors.

4o Schedule Comes only in a Solid Pipe Option.  Perforated 40 Schedule is not available.

4o Schedule normally isn’t used much for Drainage.  It is intended for High Pressure Water Applications.

I have installed 40 schedule Drainage Systems, but they are rare.  40 Schedule Drainage Systems are very much OVERBUILT!  They don’t break or wear out.  In most cases they last longer than the people who own them.

They cost many times more than SD or ADS Drainpipe.

Forty Sechedule Drain Pipe

Flood Prevention Forty Schedule Drainpipe

40 Schedule Drainage systems are far and away the most difficult to install.  The Drainage Contractor or Person who installs one must be highly skilled and experienced.  The pipe is extremely stiff and unforgiving.  All measurements must be precise.

Drainpipe Size

is critical.   4 inch and 6 inch are the most common Drainpipe sizes.  Three-inch Drainpipe can be used but should normally be avoided.  They are usually too small.  It doesn’t take much water to overwhelm them.

Four-inch is the most common size used but 6 inch is being used more and more.

As a General Rule, you should not connect more than 3 water inputs to one 4-inch pipe, or it will become overwhelmed much of the time.  Three Gutters can be connected to a 4-inch pipe.  Three Drain basins can be connected to a 4 inch pipe too.  Or some other combination of those two. One long stretch of French drain can too if it isn’t much over 60 feet in length.

If in doubt, use a 6-inch Pipe.

ADS vs SD

I would say that 80 percent of all drainage systems use ADS.  Roughly 20 percent use SD.  Less than 1 percent use 40 schedule.

For Me, ADS holds up a little better than SD and is easier to install.

My Experience

ADS and SD purchased from your local Depot type store are inferior.  They are cheaply made with low levels of Resin in the pipe.  The drainpipes don’t last very long.  They can be damaged by tree roots or the ground shifting in a short amount of time.

SD drain pipe

SD Drainpipe can crack or break

I recommend purchasing ADS and SD from professional contractor suppliers.  In Oklahoma City Ewing and Davis Pipe are very good and sell a good product.

SWhen Installing a Drainage System, What kind of Drainpipe do you use and what size Drainpipe Do you need?

For a Drainage System you have 3 Choices of Drainpipe.  You can use ADS, Or Sewer and Drain, or Thick-Walled PVC Pipe.

ADS is Black and Flexible.  It is used in a majority of Drainage Systems.  It works well and is the easiest to install.

Multiple Drain Pipes

Multiple Drainpipes

connecting down spout

Connecting Gutter Down Spout to French Drain Under Sidewalk

Covering

Covering ADS Drainpipe

ADS is available in 3 inch, 4 inch, and 6 inch for residential and small business Drainage Applications.

Sewer and Drainpipe

is white, green, or grey and is thin walled.  It is used for cheap plumbing applications such as sewer lines.  SD Pipe is also used for inexpensive Drainage Systems.

A Drainage System using Sewer and Drainpipe is slightly cheaper than ADS.   SD is rigid and harder to install than ADS. It takes more time to install, and more digging is required at the joints or connections.

It is very difficult attaching a rigid Drainpipe to a curb outlet because the Pipe does not flex at the connection.  The pipe hits the curb outlet at a downward angle and does line up straight with the connection.  Many Drain Installation Companies use a piece of ADS on the end of the Sewer and Drainpipe and then connect it to the curb outlet.  Many times there is no other way to connect them depending on your downward slope.

 

Sewer and Drain is brittle after a short amount of time.  You can break it with a hammer.   Tree roots, many times squeeze the pipe and crack it causing it to leak.   It is not a good long-term solution for anything.

Thick walled PVC

is superior to ADS and Sewer and Drain.  It will last a lifetime.  It won’t crack under normal circumstances.

That being said, It is The most difficult of all to install.  It is not for weekend warriors or your brother-in-law who says he knows what he is doing.  Someone with a lot of experience is needed to install a Thick Walled PVC Drainage System.

SD and 40 schedule

SD Drainpipe and 40 schedule

Oh, by the way, 40 Schedule or 200 Class PVC is by far the most expensive.

If money is no object, then absolutely hire an Expert to install a Thick-walled PVC System.

There are two types of Thick Walled Pvc Pipe available for Drainage Systems, 40 Schedule and 200 class.

Forty Schedule is always the same thickness at a particular size pipe.

Two Hundred Class gets thicker as the pipe gets bigger.

Forty Schedule is thicker in pipes smaller than 2 inch.

Two hundred Class is thicker in pipes over 2 inch.

Typically 4 inch pipe is most commonly used in a Drainage Systems.  Forty Schedule and 200 Class are both very good in the 4 inch Size.

Drainpipe Options

The size of Drainpipe you use in your Drainage System is fairly simple.  You can use 3 Inch, 4 Inch, or 6 Inch.  Sometimes 2 inch can be used on a small single drain but it is easily overwhelmed by too much water.

Four Inch, as stated earlier is the most common size used in a Drainage System.

If your system is a Drainage System and not a Flood Prevention System, then 4 Inch Should be fine for most applications.

If your drainage system must handle a lot of water in a hurry and is designed intercept water to protect property then two 4 inch pipes may be needed or one 6 inch Pipe.  It can vary.

In 2015 we installed a Flood Prevention System that had two 6 inch pipes in the same trench.  Our customer never had water in her garage again.

If you can afford larger Drainpipe or more than one Drainpipe in the same trench, your Drainage System should do its job well.

If you connect 5 large Surface Drains to one small 3 inch pipe, be prepared for poor performance.  I’ve seen a large French Drain connected to a 3 inch pipe.  The water shot out of the exit point like a cannon and the problem drainage area stayed flooded for a long time.

I try not to use 3 inch at all for a Drainage System and I am very careful not to attach too large or too many drains to 4 inch.